A love that dare not speak its name, chabibi...
A big flare up in the jblogosphere about frum gay people.
Homosexuality is yet another topic which seems to be so charged that one cannot discuss it rationally any more. You're either a homophobe or a sodomite fellow traveller.
One thing I find interesting is that there is a movement to paint the Orthodox stance against homosexuality as this antiquated, Stone Age view, so out of tune with modern sensibilities. Yet it wasn't even fifty years ago that Canadian(!) criminal code labeled gay men "criminal sexual psychopaths" and "dangerous sexual offenders."[source]
There is something about the mainstream society's inability to come to grips with acceptance of male homosexuality. I don't think it is now, post sexual revolution, a moral problem. The same redneck who would beat the crap out of a "homo", would have no problem having oral or anal sex with some floozy in a cheap motel...
Homosexuality is yet another topic which seems to be so charged that one cannot discuss it rationally any more. You're either a homophobe or a sodomite fellow traveller.
One thing I find interesting is that there is a movement to paint the Orthodox stance against homosexuality as this antiquated, Stone Age view, so out of tune with modern sensibilities. Yet it wasn't even fifty years ago that Canadian(!) criminal code labeled gay men "criminal sexual psychopaths" and "dangerous sexual offenders."[source]
There is something about the mainstream society's inability to come to grips with acceptance of male homosexuality. I don't think it is now, post sexual revolution, a moral problem. The same redneck who would beat the crap out of a "homo", would have no problem having oral or anal sex with some floozy in a cheap motel...
posted by e-kvetcher at 8:47 AM
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The same redneck who would beat the crap out of a "homo", would have no problem having oral or anal sex with some floozy in a cheap motel...
Erectile dysfunction.
Especially after numerous infectious adventures.
I think in the case of Orthodox Jews, 2 things are going on: The idea of male on male anal sex is seen as disgusting, whereas for more secular people this image is not longer so charged with feeling. The affect has been separated from the label 'abomination.'
Secondly, because there is so much male male emiotional interactions in Orthodox society, shul, yeshivah, minimal social interactions with women, the idea of homoerotic feelings is very disturbing and is confused with homosexual feelings. We males love God, marked male, and his Torah, marked female in a perpetual triangle, which is actually sexualized in Kabbalah. And we are supposed to love our teachers and rebbes and gedolim. And then we have male-male chavrusa relations in adolescence.
Since these topics are pretty much taboo they remain confused and in typical Orthodox fashion are projected outward onto gays.
They should stop talking about homosexual relations, as if any normal gay person gives a damn what some blogger thinks, and start talking about homosocial interactions and whether or not they are also homoerotic.
yet it wasn't even fifty years ago that Canadian(!) criminal code labeled gay men "criminal sexual psychopaths" and "dangerous sexual offenders."
So what? 143 years ago slavery was legal in the US. 91 years ago women couldn't vote. That's less than a tenth of percent (!) of the span of civilization.
All it means is that there'[s been a lot of rapid progress, very, very recently. Now it's the gays turn.
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