Thursday, July 31, 2008

Saint Dominic et la croix occitane

The Colloquy of Montréal in 1207 was the final debate in Pamiers between the Catholics (represented by Dominic Guzmán) and the Cathars (notably Benoît de Termes). Once again the the Roman Church made no progress, and if anything confirmed its role as a figure of fun and reservoir of ignorance and bigotry. When a great noblewoman, the Esclarmonde of Foix (the Count's sister), a Parfaite, tried to speak she was admonished by one of Dominic Guzmán's acolytes (Etienne de Metz): "go to your spinning madam. It is not proper for you to speak in a debate of this sort". Such attitudes voiced in front of a liberal educated audience succeeded only in confirming the extent of the gulf between the Roman Church and the general population of the Languedoc. In any case, even with God's personal help, the Roman Church once again failed to secure mass conversions, or indeed any conversions at all among the Parfaits.

Guzmán was humiliated by his failure. More vigorous action was called for. The great Bernard of Clairvaux (St Bernard) had asserted that "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because Christ is thereby glorified". Were not heretics even worse than pagans, even more deserving of death. Speaking on behalf of Christ, Guzmán promised the Cathars slavery and death.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because Christ is thereby glorified"

Sweet Jesus, that sounds incredibly Islamic!

I do not what what Cathars are. I shall consult wikipedia. There are too many version of Judaism and Christianity to keep score. It's worse than college football.

---Grant Patel

August 01, 2008 11:45 AM  
Blogger -suitepotato- said...

In the name of G-d more killing has been done than for almost any other purported reason but in the end, it all comes down to the insecure, fearful, and fanatic. One oft wonders why He bothers with us at all.

August 01, 2008 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This incident, as well as others in the life of Esclarmonde de Foix, is confirmed and dramatized in a new book, The Fire and the Light:A Novel of the Cathars and the Lost Teachings of Christ by Glen Craney

September 01, 2008 9:28 PM  
Blogger e-kvetcher said...

thanks for the tip, anonymous!

September 01, 2008 9:52 PM  

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