Where is the outrage? Oh, wait - it's not Gaza!
posted by e-kvetcher at 10:17 AM
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
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Here is the outrage:
http://atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com/2009/01/where-are-protests.html
Oh wait, it isn't.
If people paid any attention to Sri Lanka, and if Sri Lanka was supposed to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in the region, and if we constantly called them our greatest ally, the outrage would be the same, I guarantee it.
Or are you blaming the condemnation of the slaughter of hundreds of Gazan civilians on anti-semitism?
I guess I blame the SELECTIVE condemnation of the slaughter of Gazans on anti-semitism. I've lived enough of my life outside of the US to know that it is not a myth.
For the record, I also was against the invasion of Gaza, and I do not condone most of what happened. But lets not be wide eyed innocents about the role of the palestinians in this.
The fact that Sri Lanka is not being paid attention to is what my whole point was. Indiscriminate killing of innocents should be condemned regardless of where it is done.
I guess I blame the SELECTIVE condemnation of the slaughter of Gazans on anti-semitism. Maybe by some, but not by most. I think the same people tend to have condemned, e.g., the U.S.'s use of torture. It's more about condemning Western democracies for unacceptable behavior.
But lets not be wide eyed innocents about the role of the palestinians in this.Who is?
The fact that Sri Lanka is not being paid attention to is what my whole point was. Indiscriminate killing of innocents should be condemned regardless of where it is done.Of course it should. Like much of Africa. If anything, it's the Jews/Christians obsessed with the middle east who make it otherwise. NOT the anti-semites.
>>I guess I blame the SELECTIVE condemnation of the slaughter of Gazans on anti-semitism.
>Maybe by some, but not by most. I think the same people tend to have condemned, e.g., the U.S.'s use of torture. It's more about condemning Western democracies for unacceptable behavior.
I'll tell you this, in general war is absurd. The notion of killing a soldier when he is doing X and not killing a soldier when he's doing Y, or who is a civilian and who is a militant. All these things are way too fuzzy to make moral judgements about 90% of the time. If a 'Western Democracy' is in constant life and death struggle with enemies that surround it and refuse to accept its existence, which actions are acceptable and which are unacceptable.
I was against the Gaza invasion because it killed a bunch of civilians for no good reason. But in general, I am not against Israel's right to wage a war against its enemies.
>>But lets not be wide eyed innocents about the role of the palestinians in this.
>Who is?
Lot's of people are. Most people cannot seem to be able to handle anything than a black and white, right and wrong assessment of the situation.
>>The fact that Sri Lanka is not being paid attention to is what my whole point was. Indiscriminate killing of innocents should be condemned regardless of where it is done.
>Of course it should. Like much of Africa. If anything, it's the Jews/Christians obsessed with the middle east who make it otherwise. NOT the anti-semites.
Not sure I understand your point.
Look at the vitriolic anti-semitism pouring out of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Anti-semitism, now tied to Anti-Zionism is huge...
If a 'Western Democracy' is in constant life and death struggle with enemies that surround it and refuse to accept its existence, which actions are acceptable and which are unacceptable.It's not a life and death struggle and it hasn't been for some time.
I was against the Gaza invasion because it killed a bunch of civilians for no good reason.Me too.
But in general, I am not against Israel's right to wage a war against its enemies.Nor am I, as long as it's defensive in nature.
Lot's of people are. Most people cannot seem to be able to handle anything than a black and white, right and wrong assessment of the situation.Some people are like that. I don't think "most people" are. And there are probably more black-and-white thinkers on the right than the left, both in Israel and in America.
Not sure I understand your point.My point is, you were making it sound like it's because of anti-semitism that Israel was condemned more than Sri Lanka. I'm saying, au contraire, it's because America is so pro-Zionist that we pay more attention to Israel than Sri Lanka, and it's a result of that difference that Israel is criticized more.
Look at the vitriolic anti-semitism pouring out of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Anti-semitism, now tied to Anti-Zionism is huge...Well, obviously, in the Arab/Muslim world it is. I'm not disputing that at all.
JA, sorry it took a while to respond.
>It's not a life and death struggle and it hasn't been for some time.
I don't know how you can say that - the majority of Palestinians would like to have Israel disappear off the map. So does Egypt and Syria. Probably Jordan as well. "From the river to the sea."
>My point is, you were making it sound like it's because of anti-semitism that Israel was condemned more than Sri Lanka. I'm saying, au contraire, it's because America is so pro-Zionist that we pay more attention to Israel than Sri Lanka, and it's a result of that difference that Israel is criticized more.
Look, You are the one that brought up anti-semitism. I was making a point that Israel gets criticized disproportionately. I don't know if it only anti-semitism, though I am sure there is a lot of that. It is often as not a political issue. Why is Venezuela allied with Iran - do you really think they are philosophically aligned? No, it is because they both are against the US. I wasn't even really talking about the US criticizing Israel vs Sri Lanka, I was talking about the rest of the world.
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